September 11th.

KingRex:

In short the following points are made:
~ It is widely accepted that the impact of the Airplanes did nothing to the foundation of the towers
~ Never before in history has a fire ever caused the collapse of a steel high rise building
~ Both the presence of molten steel and clean cut steal beams were present -at the bottom- of the wreckage
~ Bone fragments and shards of steel were found all over the surrounding area, not what you would expect to find if it had been a simple fire, and collapse
~ After Three Months, FEMA's official report stated best explanation for collapse was "fire even though this was highly unlikely"
~ 100yards from the Towers, Building 7 collapsed without being hit by an airplane with only fires on the roof.
~ Building 7 actually fell in a matter of seconds, starting at the bottom systematically working to the top. There is actual video footage where you can see the windows being blown out in sequence, exactly matching those from a building that had undergone a scheduled demolition
~ The Twin Towers were actually designed to resist any long term or serious damage in the case of a large air craft colliding with them
~ There are countless eye witness accounts of booms, flashes of light, explosions etc, that were taken on the day by the media, but for whatever reason never elaborated on or in some cases released.
~ Al Qeda alone would not have had access to the nessessary explosives nor to the buildings themselves needed to create such a systematic demolition.

A bit unsettling is it not?

I don't believe that. I can't understand why a government would kill thousands of it's own people and cause such an aura of fear still to this day. And I don't know much about planes and stuff, but when they crashed into the building, it wouldn't just be a fire and damage caused would it? They would explode, with the jet fuel and everything.

^^^although I may be completely wrong and look like an ignorant tool

Goth Juice:

I don't believe that. I can't understand why a government would kill thousands of it's own people and cause such an aura of fear still to this day. And I don't know much about planes and stuff, but when they crashed into the building, it wouldn't just be a fire and damage caused would it? They would explode, with the jet fuel and everything.

^^^although I may be completely wrong and look like an ignorant tool

Not that I agree with King Rex's points, But I think it would give them the excuse to start the war in Iraq

^ Yeah, thats a valid conclusion. Actually there are official reports of government and intelligence officials trying to find a reason to get "involved" with Iraq before 9/11 took place. Whether you think it was planned or not, I think its pretty obvious that the events on 9/11 were used as a justified segway to starting the war on Iraq

Goth Juice:

I don't believe that. I can't understand why a government would kill thousands of it's own people and cause such an aura of fear still to this day. And I don't know much about planes and stuff, but when they crashed into the building, it wouldn't just be a fire and damage caused would it? They would explode, with the jet fuel and everything.

^^^although I may be completely wrong and look like an ignorant tool

I don't think you are ignorant, just a bit shaken and in denial which is perfectly understandable. I am not looking to gather supporters, I am only trying to express what I have found to be true. For me the evidence stands alone, and it is enough for me to believe that there is a true conspiracy at work. Please know that you are free to draw your own conclusions as I have, along with the fact that we can never expect to get any where if we refuse to accept the truth, no matter how controversial it is.

Yes, explosions did occur as the planes made an impact, but I was talking about explosions just before the buildings fell. From what I can remember from the documentary, fires, even jet fuel fuel fires do not burn hot enough to melt steel. The Twin Towers were on fire for less than half a day (I forget the exact time) and were the first steel high rises to collapse ever. Yet there are several examples of steel high rises burning hotter and for many hours longer, that not only stayed standing, but have been refurbished and still in use today. There is also no explanation for the molten steel or cut beams at the -base- of both towers. When asked about this officials simply denied their existence, even though photographic evidence is what brought up the discussion.

As far as motive goes I cannot say. I do not know why such an atrocity would ever take place in our world. I would not be surprised to find out that it was the cause of something higher than our own US Government...I hope that does not sound to far fetched. Really though, in the bigger picture, we are still in Iraq, even though it was a "Mission Accomplished" in 2003, and we still have never found Osama Binladin. If this has any connection it is unknown to me, but I would not say it is impossible.

But you did touch upon an interesting aspect an "aura of fear." If you haven't realized, America runs on fear. We are constantly running around worrying about our debt, health, taxes, global warming, image, and if we manged to snag a seat in heaven. Our system of society is rather different to other First World Countries, stress has become part of the American lifestyle. And now added to mix is the phrase " we'd better win there so we don't have to fight them here." In short, fear sways and blinds people. It makes things move faster and can be marketed and turned into a profit quite easily. I can only assume that the "powers that be" know this and have exploited it to the quite ruthlessly in the recent stain age. It is how I explain most (if not all) of the problems America faces today.

In closing, I really hope I don't come off as a paranoid fanatic. I have simply chosen to say informed, look at all sides of a situation, evaluate all of the evidence and draw a logical conclusion from it. I am not out to stir up controversy or make myself known for agitating people for no reason. I would not be expressing my views if I did not firmly believe in them or in the evidence that brought me to see them. Peace ~ Rex

KingRex:

Yes, explosions did occur as the planes made an impact, but I was talking about explosions just before the buildings fell. From what I can remember from the documentary, fires, even jet fuel fuel fires do not burn hot enough to melt steel. The Twin Towers were on fire for less than half a day (I forget the exact time) and were the first steel high rises to collapse ever. Yet there are several examples of steel high rises burning hotter and for many hours longer, that not only stayed standing, but have been refurbished and still in use today. There is also no explanation for the molten steel or cut beams at the -base- of both towers. When asked about this officials simply denied their existence, even though photographic evidence is what brought up the discussion.

^^^Hmm, that's interesting. Yet so confusing and you make a lot of good points... I don't really know what to think anymore

Most understandable, don't get to caught up on it if you can manage...its so easy to overdose on reality these days, even with out thinking about such a cataclyzmic propositon.

KingRex:

^ Yeah, thats a valid conclusion. Actually there are official reports of government and intelligence officials trying to find a reason to get "involved" with Iraq before 9/11 took place. Whether you think it was planned or not, I think its pretty obvious that the events on 9/11 were used as a justified segway to starting the war on Iraq

True, even though I don'tthink the 9/11 atacks were planned, I believe the government fully used it to their advantage.

all i remeber,was i was at my grandma's house and then my mum rang my grandma to tell that my aunty and new born cousin was on the planes that were invloved in the attacks...they were on holiday break in new york.


i belive that it was a blackmail. idk really no much about it. im just guessing it involved oil, blackmail, and killings

Utada Hikaru:

I think it would give them the excuse to start the war in Iraq

But we bombed Afghanistan a couple of months afterward, not Iraq. The war on Iraq was declared because they wouldn't allow us access to a milk factory thought to be a bombmaking facility. After that, it just became about taking out Sadaam Hussein, and then after that, we just failed to end the military action. It is thought that Bush went after Sadaam as retribution for the failed assassination attempt on his father, but seeing as how there were revolutionaries in Iraq to support the overthrow, it's very difficult to prove.

If there is more to 9/11 than meets the eye, it is more likely that the materials were planted by insurgents in our own country working in tandem with Al Qaeda than by our government. The biggest tragedies here are the fact that our government knew that the attacks were planned yet failed to adequately protect the Towers from them, the lack of proper investigation by the EPA regarding air quality in the aftermath, and the Tower security who told the residents to stay put rather than allowing them to evacuate in time.

Deb:

Utada Hikaru:

I think it would give them the excuse to start the war in Iraq

But we bombed Afghanistan a couple of months afterward, not Iraq. The war on Iraq was declared because they wouldn't allow us access to a milk factory thought to be a bombmaking facility. After that, it just became about taking out Sadaam Hussein, and then after that, we just failed to end the military action. It is thought that Bush went after Sadaam as retribution for the failed assassination attempt on his father, but seeing as how there were revolutionaries in Iraq to support the overthrow, it's very difficult to prove.

If there is more to 9/11 than meets the eye, it is more likely that the materials were planted by insurgents in our own country working in tandem with Al Qaeda than by our government. The biggest tragedies here are the fact that our government knew that the attacks were planned yet failed to adequately protect the Towers from them, the lack of proper investigation by the EPA regarding air quality in the aftermath, and the Tower security who told the residents to stay put rather than allowing them to evacuate in time.

Right, but the focus switched to Iraq so quickly. All of the sudden Osama was Sadaam. Not only did Iraq have weapons of mass destruction they also were aiding and imbedding the terrorists responsible for 9/11, or so we were told. Thus assuring the public we were justified in invading Iraq and bombing Baghdad.

??? I’m not saying it’s the ONLY reason we went to Iraq, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Bush was after a little retribution, what does supporting revolutionaries have to do with it? There are a lot of dictators around the world who’ve oppressed a lot of people, but guess what, they never tried to assassinate the president’s dad nor are they sittin’ on an ocean of oil.

Insurgents the US did not know about? To me this seams highly unlikely, even more so then it being an inside job that is. How could such people have the ability to plan and perform such a large scale attack on American soil without getting caught? Said insurgents would have needed very specific and hard to find demolition equipment (very strict records of such are kept), the building plans as well as the access to the buildings itself in countless places. How could anyone walk in to the world trade center and start planting demolition charges in key places throughout the entire structure successfully without having help by a higher power?

KingRex:

How could such people have the ability to plan and perform such a large scale attack on American soil without getting caught? How could anyone walk in to the world trade center and start planting demolition charges in key places throughout the entire structure successfully without having help by a higher power?

The same way that they were able to plan out the first attack on the WTC. Remember too that the Al Qaeda pilots trained on our own soil. I'm not pro-Iraq, I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

The Iraq war was started for oil control and revenge. The cover reason was they were thought to have nuclear capabilities, but no one really believed that.

On the other hand, if they had not attacked and Iraq had nuclear capabilities, 9/11 would have been replicated with an effect even more devastating. Millions of people would be dead.

Bush had to start the Iraq war. He had no choice. It can't end now, either. Both because the U.S's stature on the world stage would be degraded even more than it already is, and because the good things that have been accomplished in Iraq would disappear.

edit - I got a little of topic, sorry

i really feel bad when i remember this date but i think that those who did this crime are non-believers whatever they say i see them like that because the god is a peaceful and no one have the rights to judge another only god judge every body

So everybody knows, your average structural steel (depending on the type, shape, fire-proofing, and load) weakens at any temperature above 999 degrees F. It can fail at any temperature above that if exposed to fire in the free-burning stage for a prolonged period of time.

You're average house fire burns at 1100 degrees F. The temperature of the fire depends on the available oxygen, construction of the building, type of furniture inside, hazardous materials inside, etc. etc.