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Slacker Killjoy Age: 32 Gender: Male Posts: 43	December 22nd, 2006 at 07:19pm I think anybody that thinks the US Government had even the tinniest part in 9/11 should go have their minds checked - sersiously. Its just rediculous.
Ceiling Gerard Awake and Unafraid Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 14232	December 22nd, 2006 at 08:07pm Jordyng: We had it coming. With us electing a president that had connections with the Bin Ladens. Bad move on our part. The Bin Ladens are actually a very established family in Afganastan. A couple of Osama's cousins live in the states and are ctizens who had no part in his affairs. The Bin Ladens really aren't the terroist: it's the TALIBAN. There's a difference.
Jordyn Fabulous Killjoy Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 160	December 22nd, 2006 at 09:24pm Erry Ishmas: Jordyng: We had it coming. With us electing a president that had connections with the Bin Ladens. Bad move on our part. The Bin Ladens are actually a very established family in Afganastan. A couple of Osama's cousins live in the states and are ctizens who had no part in his affairs. The Bin Ladens really aren't the terroist: it's the TALIBAN. There's a difference. Good point. But I do still believe we had it coming.
samantha connolly In The Murder Scene Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 24519	December 22nd, 2006 at 09:27pm PunkerThanThou: XD Just so everyone knows, this is basically the definition of spamming.
Me-ninja Joining The Black Parade Age: 32 Gender: Male Posts: 199	December 23rd, 2006 at 10:35am bad.
Human Wreckage xx Really Not Okay Age: 30 Gender: Female Posts: 730	March 1st, 2007 at 09:41pm 9/11 was tragic. and i will never forget it. it was a big turning poin in the future of this country. im not saying its all bush's fault. i mean you can't just slam all the blame on him. but his performance could have been a little more professional i would say.
druscilla. Bleeding on the Floor Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 1671	March 1st, 2007 at 10:40pm Human Wreckage xx: 9/11 was tragic. and i will never forget it. it was a big turning poin in the future of this country. im not saying its all bush's fault. i mean you can't just slam all the blame on him. but his performance could have been a little more professional i would say. I can slam most of the blame on him. He didn't prevent it. He was elected to serve the people and he failed.
S713 Joining The Black Parade Age: 33 Gender: Male Posts: 225	March 2nd, 2007 at 10:58pm druscilla_way: Human Wreckage xx: 9/11 was tragic. and i will never forget it. it was a big turning poin in the future of this country. im not saying its all bush's fault. i mean you can't just slam all the blame on him. but his performance could have been a little more professional i would say. I can slam most of the blame on him. He didn't prevent it. He was elected to serve the people and he failed. He was in for an entire what? 8 months before 9-11. Now, he isn't exactly my favorite person.... but there is not much he could have done. WTC was attacked before Bush also, so its not like it was the first time.
S713 Joining The Black Parade Age: 33 Gender: Male Posts: 225	March 2nd, 2007 at 11:08pm mindfreak: and even know years later bush wont accept the fact that while the troops are over in Iraq that Asama Bin Laden isnt going to come out of wherever hes hiding. i think Bush is the biggest hypocrit in the world because he was all sad when the thousands of innocent people died over here so thats supposedly why he started the war, but did it ever occur to him that his troops have killed and tortured thousands of innocent people over there? Oh yes. We tortured them. A dog barked at them while they were blind folded nude. Meanwhile, those same people are out hacking reporters heads off, blowing up their own people with car bombs filled with home-made shrapnel (sp?), and dragging burning coalition (not just American) soldiers' bodies through the streets... But at least they didn't make them take their clothes off.... Nobody is torturing thousands of innocent people.... neither the terrorists or soldiers... Also.. THEY kill more of their own people then we do with their car and suicide bombers Also, everybody seems to hate America until they have some sort of disaster... Then they want our help... When is the last time you saw a British, French, Polish, Canadian, whatever country you want... convoy in America giving aid after some sort of disaster? Never. Why should we help other countries when they are so ungrateful (Not talking about Iraq or Afghanistan). Darfur (sp?) is a great example... You'll see a commercial saying America should worry about itself, followed by "President Bush: Stop The Genocide!"
Fezzik Salute You in Your Grave Age: 33 Gender: Female Posts: 2748	March 2nd, 2007 at 11:33pm LVFD: Oh yes. We tortured them. A dog barked at them while they were blind folded nude. Meanwhile, those same people are out hacking reporters heads off, blowing up their own people with car bombs filled with home-made shrapnel (sp?), and dragging burning coalition (not just American) soldiers' bodies through the streets... But at least they didn't make them take their clothes off.... Nobody is torturing thousands of innocent people.... neither the terrorists or soldiers... Also.. THEY kill more of their own people then we do with their car and suicide bombers Also, everybody seems to hate America until they have some sort of disaster... Then they want our help... When is the last time you saw a British, French, Polish, Canadian, whatever country you want... convoy in America giving aid after some sort of disaster? Never. Why should we help other countries when they are so ungrateful (Not talking about Iraq or Afghanistan). Darfur (sp?) is a great example... You'll see a commercial saying America should worry about itself, followed by "President Bush: Stop The Genocide!" Uhm. Okay. First of all, the Abu Ghraib scandal wasn't just about "a dog barking at them while they were blind folded and nude" (and also, to point out, I think in Islamic culture especially there's more of a stigma about men being nude in front of each other). It also included quite a bit of sexual abuse (with, to be polite about it, sodomizing), urinating on detainees, dragging them around naked, pouring acid on detainees, and beating wounded detainees so they wouldn't heal properly. Oh, and it's estimated that 90% of the people there were actually innocent. So these weren't "the same people out hacking reporters' heads off". And even if they were, we, as Americans, are supposed to know better than to sink to that level. Liberty and justice for all, anyone? Not all of the claims have been validated, but there was torturing at Abu Ghraib. We messed up big time. There's no denying that. About the second part; do you mean why doesn't say, Britain, give us aid after we have a disaster? Because we are the most powerful country in the world, we sort of should have the resources to deal with whatever mother nature throws at us. Besides, altruism is nice. But anyway, moving on to things more relevant to this thread, I have to agree with you about September 11th. It wasn't entirely Bush's fault, and it probably would've happened if Gore was in office. However, Bush did push through the Patriot Act afterwards, and he sort of did use public feelings about 9/11 as an excuse to invade Iraq, both of which were pretty bad ideas.
S713 Joining The Black Parade Age: 33 Gender: Male Posts: 225	March 2nd, 2007 at 11:38pm Resurgam: LVFD: Oh yes. We tortured them. A dog barked at them while they were blind folded nude. Meanwhile, those same people are out hacking reporters heads off, blowing up their own people with car bombs filled with home-made shrapnel (sp?), and dragging burning coalition (not just American) soldiers' bodies through the streets... But at least they didn't make them take their clothes off.... Nobody is torturing thousands of innocent people.... neither the terrorists or soldiers... Also.. THEY kill more of their own people then we do with their car and suicide bombers Also, everybody seems to hate America until they have some sort of disaster... Then they want our help... When is the last time you saw a British, French, Polish, Canadian, whatever country you want... convoy in America giving aid after some sort of disaster? Never. Why should we help other countries when they are so ungrateful (Not talking about Iraq or Afghanistan). Darfur (sp?) is a great example... You'll see a commercial saying America should worry about itself, followed by "President Bush: Stop The Genocide!" Uhm. Okay. First of all, the Abu Ghraib scandal wasn't just about "a dog barking at them while they were blind folded and nude" (and also, to point out, I think in Islamic culture especially there's more of a stigma about men being nude in front of each other). It also included quite a bit of sexual abuse (with, to be polite about it, sodomizing), urinating on detainees, dragging them around naked, pouring acid on detainees, and beating wounded detainees so they wouldn't heal properly. Oh, and it's estimated that 90% of the people there were actually innocent. So these weren't "the same people out hacking reporters' heads off". And even if they were, we, as Americans, are supposed to know better than to sink to that level. Liberty and justice for all, anyone? Not all of the claims have been validated, but there was torturing at Abu Ghraib. We messed up big time. There's no denying that. About the second part; do you mean why doesn't say, Britain, give us aid after we have a disaster? Because we are the most powerful country in the world, we sort of should have the resources to deal with whatever mother nature throws at us. Besides, altruism is nice. But anyway, moving on to things more relevant to this thread, I have to agree with you about September 11th. It wasn't entirely Bush's fault, and it probably would've happened if Gore was in office. However, Bush did push through the Patriot Act afterwards, and he sort of did use public feelings about 9/11 as an excuse to invade Iraq, both of which were pretty bad ideas. A lot of that is true... And also, ALL politicians use firefighters, police, 9-11, etc. for political gain... Sadly people buy it. I wonder what Gore (The same person who came on MTV to say he was bringing sexy back) would have done during 9-11..
druscilla. Bleeding on the Floor Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 1671	March 3rd, 2007 at 12:01am LVFD: druscilla_way: Human Wreckage xx: 9/11 was tragic. and i will never forget it. it was a big turning poin in the future of this country. im not saying its all bush's fault. i mean you can't just slam all the blame on him. but his performance could have been a little more professional i would say. I can slam most of the blame on him. He didn't prevent it. He was elected to serve the people and he failed. He was in for an entire what? 8 months before 9-11. Now, he isn't exactly my favorite person.... but there is not much he could have done. WTC was attacked before Bush also, so its not like it was the first time. When your president spends most of his time on vacation and ignores important threats about 9/11, yes, you can blame him. He watched the first plane hit. He knew.
RAVE on my grave Bleeding on the Floor Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 1466	March 3rd, 2007 at 04:44am Jordyng: We had it coming. With us electing a president that had connections with the Bin Ladens. Bad move on our part. Maybe you should read the book "Stupid White Men" by Michael Moore if you think Bush was the President of choice for US citizens. Thief in chief, anyone?
Ceiling Gerard Awake and Unafraid Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 14232	March 3rd, 2007 at 05:08am Drucilla: If my memory serves me correctly, he was reading a book to kids in an elementary school when the first plan hit O.o;;;
aliss practice. Shotgun Sinner Age: 102 Gender: - Posts: 8198	March 3rd, 2007 at 07:05am I'm not sure if anyone has already said this, My brother has this theory that it was all something to do with the oil in Russia or somewhere. Can anybody explain this, or is it just my brother playing up?
aliss practice. Shotgun Sinner Age: 102 Gender: - Posts: 8198	March 3rd, 2007 at 07:06am Fer Suuure Jenni: Drucilla: If my memory serves me correctly, he was reading a book to kids in an elementary school when the first plan hit O.o;;; ^^That is true
nina; Awake and Unafraid Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 12993	March 3rd, 2007 at 07:30am I wanna ask this question. Would Islamic fundamentalists do this sort of terrorist attack in the US without provocation? No. America has for years and years and years, long before president George W Bush, been attacking the world. Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Cuba, Somalia. The list is long. When you pretend to be a world cop, killing for oil and personal gain, you'll get hit. But don't get me wrong, there are no excuses whatsoever for that attack. At all. But over 600 000 people have died in Iraq alone since Americas war "against terrorism", I don't see anyone getting all "omg" over that. . .
Ceiling Gerard Awake and Unafraid Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 14232	March 3rd, 2007 at 07:50am I love foriegn media. I am not saying America is land of the pure and innocent. Heavens no. I will even go as far to say we are morons. And I am not justifying our actions. But we don't "attack" the world as you say. Presidents with their own ideals start meaningless wars for money. And we weren't the first, the only, or the last country to elect of have leaders who do this. Russia, Britian, France, Germany, Japan, China, Greece, Spain. Need I say more?
girl interrupted. Salute You in Your Grave Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 2792	March 3rd, 2007 at 12:14pm It's awful. It's 100% the terrorist's fault. If we had a candle for every single person who died in war and terrorism in the hstory of the world, we wouldn't need electric lights.
druscilla. Bleeding on the Floor Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 1671	March 3rd, 2007 at 11:37pm Aliss Is Dead.: Fer Suuure Jenni: Drucilla: If my memory serves me correctly, he was reading a book to kids in an elementary school when the first plan hit O.o;;; ^^That is true He stated twice that he saw the first plane hit. The media never saw any but the second plane hit. Bush saw the first. They knew it was coming.

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